05:59:24 <kxra> stepcut: what bug tracker does clckwrks use?
07:55:59 <alpounet> kxra, its own AFAICT: http://clckwrks.com/bugs/timeline - http://clckwrks.com/bugs/submit-bug
08:00:05 <kxra> alpounet: ah, thanks. i thought stepcut might've started using http://hub.darcs.net/stepcut/clckwrks/issues since the code moved there
08:00:35 <alpounet> oh, well, he didn't move the (active, at least) issues
08:00:56 <alpounet> so I'm not sure? I guess both are fine
10:47:29 <HugoDaniel> ei!
10:56:29 <donri> oi
10:56:37 <donri> HugoDaniel: how are benchmarks going
11:16:03 <HugoDaniel> donri: good :)
11:16:41 <HugoDaniel> i did a small benchmark yesterday of IntMap/HashMap/Vector
11:16:43 <HugoDaniel> http://pastie.org/5647610
11:16:57 <HugoDaniel> im about to finish a naive indexable data structure
11:17:16 <HugoDaniel> and after that ill benchmark it with postgresql (i already have the postgresql benchmarks done)
11:24:09 <donri> HugoDaniel: note that vector scales in constant time and the maps in logarithmic time which is more or less what your benchmarks are showing (log 16000 = how many times faster vector was in your benchmarks)
11:25:03 <donri> also 90% variance is basically saying that the numbers are useless :)
11:26:30 <HugoDaniel> yeah, but std dev. is quite contained
11:26:45 <donri> also maybe: use the same random data for each benchmark, and deepseq them before
11:26:52 <HugoDaniel> "variance introduced by outliers"
11:27:00 <HugoDaniel> im assuming this is not for the whole set, only in the outliers
11:27:14 <HugoDaniel> which are 11%
11:27:15 <HugoDaniel> found 6 outliers among 51 samples (11.8%)
11:27:33 <HugoDaniel> ok
11:27:36 <HugoDaniel> let me do it :D
11:40:11 <HugoDaniel> i want to finish the indexable data type to show you after
12:55:50 <kxra> stepcut: have you seen this as well? http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
17:43:33 <roadfish> what in the relationship between clckwrks and happstack?
17:43:54 <stepcut> clckcwrks is built using happstack as the underlying web framework
17:44:51 <machty> what's the most common production hosting env for happstack?
17:45:29 <stepcut> machty: linode and prgrmr are pretty popular
17:48:44 <machty> stepcut: thx… hadn't heard of prgrmr… looks like VPS but without the cloud?
17:49:09 <machty> stepkut: impostor
17:49:47 <stepkut> :)
17:50:11 <stepkut> yeah, prgmr is just a cheap, but fairly reliable VPS provider
17:50:19 <donri> haha disabling issue tracking on darcshub only disables the link
17:50:27 <stepkut> the issues I have had with them have all been due to their upstream providers screwing things up
17:50:33 <donri> apparently kxra filed bugs to the not really existing clckwrks hub issue tracker
17:50:56 <stepkut> :)
17:51:47 <donri> i heard http://asmallorange.com/ is a good vps provider
17:53:19 <donri> prgmr looks cheaper though
17:53:47 <stepkut> yeah, cuz prgmr saved all that money on graphic designers :)
17:54:56 <donri> :D
17:55:13 <donri> come on they've got ascii art as a logo, that can't be cheap
17:55:24 <stepkut> :)
17:56:05 <stepkut> http://bigtext.org/?font=standard&text=donri+rules%21
17:56:28 <donri> awesome!
17:56:44 <stepkut> http://bigtext.org/?font=standard&text=prgmr.com
17:56:48 <stepkut> perfect match :)
17:57:31 <donri> hahah
17:58:27 <HugoDaniel> :D
17:58:30 <machty> this is pathetic, but it suddenly clicked for me that VPS doesn't always imply cloud usage. why this wasn't obvious before, i don't know. so, VPS gives you full control as if it were a physical machine. hosting it on the cloud just means you can leverage tons of features that only make sense giving cloud computing
17:58:31 <stepkut> donri: not sure if you saw.. I released a version of hyperdrive that has been updated to pipes 3.0.. it isn't useful for anything yet, of course
17:58:36 <stepkut> donri: but it is reasonably fast
17:58:47 <donri> cool
17:58:54 <donri> how close is pipes to being ready for it?
18:00:10 <donri> lol the bottom readme http://hub.darcs.net/stepcut/clckwrks
18:00:16 <donri> btw http://hub.darcs.net/stepcut/clckwrks/issues
18:00:20 <stepkut> donri: ready enough I think.. upcoming pipes features that could be relevant are the parsing stuff and the resource mangement stuff. But, I am looking at making my own parser for hyperdrive anyway, so using StateP to hold the left overs is good enough. And ResourceT can be used until pipes gets native resource handling stuff
18:00:56 <stepkut> yeah, I should update the readme for a number of reasons :)
18:00:57 <donri> cool
19:24:48 <kxra> stepkut: aha, is there a reason you want to keep developing the clckwrks bug tracker rather than using the one on hub.darcs?
19:52:20 <stepkut> kxra: not sure.. it predates hub.darcs.net
19:53:07 <stepkut> kxra: at the time there was no good way to host darcs projects -- so the idea was to make it easy to setup a project site (like happstack.com, etc) that had integrated darcs, bugtracking, buildbot, etc
19:53:50 <stepkut> kxra: and.. it could have ultimately become hub.darcs.net as well.. but now that hub.darcs.net exists, it is not as important